New York Knicks: Which free agents that don’t require multi-year deals fit the best around Mitchell Robinson and R.J. Barrett?
What’s the plan for cap space this time?
I think they intend to maintain flexibility with such a limited free agency class. This means no long-term free agent contracts. I see them going for shooters to spread the floor for Barrett.
I’m guessing Knicks will roll with the same gameplan like last offseason. Hopefully they execute it much better though.
I will never, ever understand their decision to sign four veteran power forwards all in the same offseason. What the hell.
I see the Knicks going for reasonable shooters and young talent
Glenn Robinson III
That’s indeed the way to go. Can’t expect much from the Knicks though. They always fail to deliver.
I could see them also going to veteran ex-Leon Rose client route and pursuing CP3 and Mike Conley
I hope Rose and Wes can bring major positive changes in New York
Must admit that NBA is more fun when Knicks are a relevant team.
Me too but I hope they don’t rush the process
Which younger free agents are good shooters?
I actually don’t hate the idea of a Conley based deal for the Knicks… Conley for Randle, Knox and DSJ?
Are we assuming Thibodeau gets the coaching gig?
Yeah I think Thibs will get the job
@getrichordie Which draft picks do you see making the most sense for the Knicks?
To answer what prospects make the most sense for the Knicks, that’s a complicated question given that we don’t know how some of the picks will shake out or who will be available where.
I do think that the Knicks need a potential star, so for that reason, I’d lean LaMelo or Edwards for their first pick of the draft. Hand them the reigns and let them develop and get another top pick next year in a strong draft. They have the highest upside but will require patience.
As for their later picks, I think they should hedge their bet on Barrett + Ball/Edwards and go ahead and draft a solid back up type with some upside.
If there is a way they can land Riller, I’d try and do that as well.
Other guys that I think make some sense for the Knicks:
Killian Tillie (barring medical)
James Wiseman too
@getrichordie how toxic is CP3’s deal?
Would ownership throw in Denver’s 1st in a Randle, Knox and DSJ offer
What do you mean by toxic?
Not CP3 the player, but CP3 the contract is rough in a bad economy IMO
I don’t see it as a toxic deal at all. Knicks have a real need for leadership both on and off the court. CP3 provides that in spades. You don’t have to look any further for evidence than how CP3 has handled his tenure in OKC. He’s still a top 5 PG in the league as well. My feeling is the Knicks would need to include a late FRP. Knox and DSJ isn’t appealing enough.
He also acts as salary ballast to tie them over until 2022 FA where they should have had time to find answers and “right” the ship in New York.
I think CP3’s contract isn’t so toxic to teams that have a good amount of cap space to spend, and for teams that don’t have cap space, I don’t think he makes much sense.
What if they kept the Denver pick out of it?
Randle, Knox and DSJ for CP3
I think the position that needs filling is clearly point guard. They drafted Frank Ntilikina to fill that role but his lack of offensive skill has forced him into a defensive specialist playing mostly at the 2. Dennis Smith Jr. Looks like a fringe NBA player at this point and Elfrid Payton isnt worth the $8 million team option.Trading minimal assets for Chris Paul is an option and made all the more possible with COVID-19 and the effect it has had on the NBA economy. His impact stats are consistently superb. His average Net Raiting over the last four years is 10.63. He clearly makes the players around him better. Other geee agent options include Goran Dragic and D.J. Augustin who I assume can get overpaid on a short term deal. I dont believe the team is ready to invest significantly in a longterm free agent like Fred Van Vleet.
A CP3 deal is complicated on all sides but as a former client of new Knicks President Leon Rose, Chris Paul will be desired in New York. I would expect the 2020 Clippers pick to be included. Which is ironic considering Paul’s former time with the club and OKC seemingly controlling every Clippers draft pick from here to eternity. I would expect that some salary is sent back to OKC in the deal.Knicks receive Chris Paul
Thunder receive Julius Randle, 2020 LAC 1st (27)
I don’t know, I think there won’t be a lot of teams bidding for Chris Paul’s contract
I could see Chris Paul for Julius Randle, Kevin Knox and Dennis Smith Jr. having a way to spin it positively for both sides.
I dont know why they move CP3 with that offer? Maybe Knox has some value I’m not aware of. They arent going to be in the tax. They will want to save some money. Feel like there needs to be one positive asset in return for a player of that caliber no matter how old he is or how much he gets paid.
How does the Thibodeau hiring affect the Knicks plans?
They will not be trading for Jimmy Butler any time soon
Did Knick’s hire TT?
5 year deal? GOOD LORD
Haha i think they go after CP3 now
If the Knicks made a big offer for Fred Van Vleet… would Toronto be more likely to….
- Beat the Knicks offer
- Let him sign with the Knicks
- Take a sign and trade offer of Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith Jr. and Kevin Knox
I would think C
I think Toronto will go up to around $20 mil. How much you think the Knicks offering? $25 mil?
I think it would be B.
At some point, the Raptors are going to have to kickstart a rebuild. And it’s going to come sooner rather than later.
Which point guards make sense for the Derrick Rose role under Thibodeau’s system in free agency?
Derrick White and 11 for 6?
My biggest fear is trading for Jimmy Butler
Pop doesn’t do trade up
If the Knicks move up into the top 3 I think they start shopping cap space plus the Mavs picks for a legit all star. There could be more all star level talents available now that previously thought.
Who is the best vet straight up for 6?
Lavine? Holiday? Oubre & 10?
How is Oubre’s D and work ethic?
Is he a Thibs guy?
Oubre is a Drew Hanlen client. In the off-season Hanlen trains Brad Beal, Jason Tatum, Zach Lavind and Joel Embiid among others. Apparently, Oubre has a serious work ethic. Defensively, he is young but effective. 70th and 75th percentile in blk% and stl% respectively. 4.3 deflections per 48 is representative of an active, disruptive player. I think he could easily become a Thibs guy tbh.
@getrichordie 27th Overall for Dennis Schröder?
I like 6 for Oubre + 10 and 27 for Schroder
Around Barrett and Robinson
Thibs is definitely going to bring in vets. I’m guessing CP3 plus another wing.
Honestly? I’m thinking we get CP3 and Jimmy Butler
Not bad buddy
I think I’d rather keep Schroder over 27. Depends on who is there though.
Considering how good Thunder is this year and how weak the 2020 draft class….
Schroder > 27th pick
I agree. Lowe and others continue to bang the drum that OKC will blow it up. They have half the Clippers draft already so I’m not sure what they are looking for and its probably not the 27th pick in this draft. Thunder already own the 25th pick.Windhorst mentioned the the Thunder ownership group has suffered due to Covid so dumping some $$$ will be a priority. Feel like moving Paul for the 27th makes some sense because of the cap saving and Leon Rose’s CP3 connections.
Not to mention Schroder seems to be having a lot of fun in OKC. Wouldn’t surprise me if Presti is keen on re-signing him and Schroder would take a discount.
His ATL days are far behind him
Schroder has always been a solid player. He received too much underserving hate back then. (edited)
I don’t know if Schroder takes a discount but I can see him resigning in OKC. Possibly an extension. That backcourt with SGA and Schroeder are fun, long, dynamic. I would move CP3 and extend Schroder for two years having it expire the first year you really got to pay SGA.
That’s smart. It depends on who we draft, IMO. I can definitely see us sticking with a 3-guard lineup if it makes sense and we bring Billy D back. But a lot of people seem to think Schroder is overrated. You have to wonder how much teams would pay a Schroder and if OKC could match/beat that offer.
It’s looking less and less likely that Schroder is a starting point for another team, in my mind.
I mean both he and SGA are combo guards. He probably is best suited longterm as a 6th man but I would be really happy with that backcourt.