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NYG

Let’s start with something specific

 

Who will be the best player traded on draft night?

 

I vote Aaron Gordon

 

jredsaz

There are rumors from @gambo987, a prominent Phoenix sports talk show host, that the Suns had interest in him at the deadline.

 

NYG

Who do you see as the best player dealt on draft night

 

jredsaz

Well the rumor is that AG will be traded for Kelly Oubre. Debatable who is the better player IMO. I think it’s close.

 

Could the Spurs move on from Derozan or Aldridge in the final year of their deals?

 

NYG

I think so, how do you rank DeRozan, Aldridge, Gordon and Oubre?

 

jredsaz

Wonder how the bubble works for the Jazz too. The Gobert/Mitchell thing is interesting to watch. Doubt anything happens but if Orlando is bad for the team, on a chemistry level more than anything, does it impact how they view the tandem moving forward?

 

That’s a tough question. Ski/Potential I would give it to Oubre. Immediate impact I would lean Aldridge and Derozan. AG is tough for me to peg.

 

Deathlineup

This is a boring answer. But I don’t see any stars getting traded on draft night. Not even Oubre and Gordon.

getrichordie

Best player traded on draft night?

Candidates:

Aaron Gordon
Chris Paul
Buddy Hield
Nikola Vucevic
Gary Harris

 

getrichordie

Re: Can OKC move Chris Paul?

That’s a toughie. I think they can if they are willing to make some concessions. Some tend to think he isn’t going to be moved if they have to send out a pick or they aren’t getting a pick back. I tend to lean towards it being more practical to send a pick along with Paul. I think it opens up more avenues in terms of where he can be traded and what we could get in return.

An underrated part of all this is that OKC just finished paying ~$86M in luxury taxes. Paul is owed $86M over the next two seasons.

 

NYG

Yeah I like the 5 question format but one question at a time

 

getrichordie

FWIW, I don’t like the “what prospect will have the best career” question because it should be synonymous with who the top prospect is.

 

NYG

So let’s stick with “Who do you see as the best player dealt on draft night” for now before going to the next question

 

@Deathlineup This is a boring answer. But I don’t see any stars getting traded on draft night. Not even Oubre and Gordon.

Why do you think that?

 

@getrichordie Best player traded on draft night?

Candidates:

Aaron Gordon
Chris Paul
Buddy Hield
Nikola Vucevic
Gary Harris

Which teams do you see as suitors for each?

 

getrichordie

Haven’t thought about that much, but from what I hear, DAL and PHX are interested in Gordon. I think those would be good landing spots. DAL needs a big wing stopper and Gordon can do that. PHX needs a guy who they can put next to Ayton and rim-protect play inside with Ayton playing outside so I think he fits there as well.

 

NYG

@jredsaz do you see a Gordon/Oubre swap as involving a pick?

 

getrichordie

I think Gordon is a little more valuable than Oubre and IIRC, I think he has more years left on his deal, so I could see PHX needing to include a pick. I think ORL should be interested in a Jevon Carter as well.

 

Oubre’s injuries are a concern and I think he is a RFA after next year, right?

 

My bad. He is an UFA.

 

jredsaz

Reportedly, the Suns approached the Magic prior to the trade deadline offering their 2020 1st and Tyler Johnson’s expiring contract for Gordon. The Magic reportedly countered with an offer including Oubre in return for Gordon. Suns clearly refused.I think Oubre and Gordon have similar value. They are the same age and have incredibly similar career stats. Oubre seems to be on a better growth trajectory as Gordon had a down year. AG may have a longer contract but it’s also $4 mil more in 20/21.I have a hard time believing that either team would attach a 1st to consummate the deal. However, I could see a pick swap to compensate Orlando for the lost year. It would be similar to last years Jame Jones deal in which he traded back acquire Dario Saric.

Suns receive Gordon, ORL 2020 1st (15)
Magic receive Oubre, PHX 2020 1st (10)

 

Deathlineup

It’s actually pretty rare for a star or big name player getting traded on the draft night. If I’m not mistaken, there’s no star traded on last year’s draft night.

 

And because of corona I believe teams will be much more careful at making moves.

 

NYG

That’s true, but I also think there is less domino’s to fall via free agency than last offseason

 

NYG

Outside of the commonly mentioned (Wiseman, Edwards and Ball), who is the most likely to put themselves in the first overall discussion between now and draft night?

 

getrichordie

It has to be either Avdija or Hayes, IMO. I’d even give a slight chance to Pokusevski.

 

jredsaz

Okongawu has been mentioned by some as a potential first overall. If I’m the Warriors that’s who I am going after.

 

getrichordie

Okongwu has been really good, but I think there has to be some concern about him being a bit undersized, which is why I did not mention him. If you take him at what he is, he’s a great fit for the Warriors. But the lack of versatility on O is what kills his chances of being taken #1, IMO.

 

jredsaz

That’s fair. But I’m less concerned about his size in a modern NBA. Bam can operate at the 5 with similar measurements. He shot the ball at 72% from the line. If that can translate into 35% from behind the arc his offense will flourish. He is a beast on the defensive end and boards. Again, as the Warriors, I would bet on my culture and development and select the player with the best raw basketball DNA in the draft. I think that is Okongawu. Reminds me of a young Amare Stoudemire.

 

getrichordie

I don’t like projecting that much on to bigs who haven’t consistently shown they can shoot from not near the rim. And BA is a fair bit more athletic and mobile than Okongwu is, IMO.

 

jredsaz

BA?

 

getrichordie

Bam Adebayo. And I think you have to look at what has worked before in this league. Most guys who are 6’9 that can play the 5 (Gibson, Adebayo, Thompson, etc.) are guys who are both longer and provide some added versatility on O.

 

Okongwu is really good at banging inside and making quick decisions in terms of what he wants to do and where he wants to go, and he runs the floor really well and has really good explosiveness but no playmaking, little mid-range game, no real signs of being able to stretch the floor.

 

jredsaz

If he can’t develop a shot then he is still a rim running, rim protecting five. Every player in this draft you’re projecting multiple skills/functionalities. No one is a sure thing. His length and size are similar to Bam. He doesnt have the playmaking or the shot at this point but I bet on his aggressiveness. 72% from the line is a sign that his shot isn’t broken. Again, as the Warriors,  I’m taking the best raw version of what I like and developing the rest.

 

Also believe his floor is higher than a lot of these guys due to his aggressive nature and functional athleticism.

 

getrichordie

I don’t like the idea of drafting for a player’s floor at #1 overall. I get that everyone wants to project OO to be competent from mid-range and 3 and maybe he can be, but why not project Edwards to be a great pull-up shooter and great defender by that logic? Why not project Ball to be a defensive stud, etc.

 

jredsaz

I’m not choosing to draft him based on his floor. Its only one of many factors. Im project shooting improvement because shooting is the single easiest skill to improve. I’m more concerned with his ability to become a strong ball mover. If I’m the Cavs, Pistons, Knicks I dont take him because I dont have the infrastructure to maximize his potential.

In most drafts there is a clear cut #1 or at least two guys to select from. This ain’t that draft. Every player who is selected #1 needs to significantly improve some aspects of their game to be considered a good first overall pick.I think most teams should take Ball at the top and project defensive improvements. In the Warriors specific case, maybe even the TWolves, I would consider Okongawu.

 

getrichordie

If shooting was the single easiest skill to improve, then why are there such bad shooters in NBA?

 

jredsaz

There are a litany of players who have developed a league average three point shot after entering the league as a sub par or non shooter. Jerami Grant, Al Horford, Marc Gasol all come to mind. Think the NBA as a whole is shooting better than it ever has by a wide margin.

 

Deathlineup

Kids who got a chance to be drafted first overall: Wiseman, Edwards, Ball and Hayes

 

getrichordie

Most of those guys you mentioned didn’t start shooting 3s at a good clip until much later in their career.

 

If not all of them.

 

Unsure about Horford.

 

jredsaz

Horford and Gasol absolutely started later in their respective careers. But I think that’s a reflection of how the league changed during that time span. Grant worked on it his whole career and by his fifth season he was able to shoot a high percentage at a decent volume.

 

getrichordie

Fair point.

 

NYG

How do you guys have your tiers for the top of the draft?  Use only your first 3 tiers

 

This is how you see it overall, not your individual

 

getrichordie

I have 0 players in 1st tier

 

Really depends on how you have your tiers set up, tbh

 

 

NYG

LaMelo Ball, Anthony Edwards and James WisemanIsaac Okoro, Tyrese Haliburton, Obi Toppin, Onyeka Okongwu, Deni Avdija, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, RJ Hampton, Aaron Nesmith, Cole Anthony

 

This draft’s Tier 2 is deep

 

I don’t know why but I think a guy in that Tier 2 group goes #1 after all is said n done

 

NYG

Let’s assume current draft order and no trades.. what’s your top 8 mock

 

getrichordie

Can you post draft order?

 

NYG

  1. Warriors
    2. Cavaliers
    3. Timberwolves
    4. Hawks
    5. Pistons
    6. Knicks
    7. Bulls
    8. Hornets

 

NYG

  1. Warriors – Wiseman
    2. Cavaliers – Ball
    3. Timberwolves – Edwards
    4. Hawks – Okoro
    5. Pistons – Haliburton
    6. Knicks – Hayes
    7. Bulls – Avdija
    8. Hornets – Okongwu

 

getrichordie

  1. Warriors — Avdija
  2. Cavaliers — Wiseman
  3. Timberwolves — Ball
  4. Hawks — Okoro
  5. Pistons — Hayes
  6. Knicks — Anthony
  7. Bulls — Haliburton
  8. Hornets — Vassell

 

Deathlineup

  1. Warriors – Wiseman
    2. Cavaliers – Avdija
    3. Timberwolves – Edwards
    4. Hawks – Okoro
    5. Pistons – Hayes
    6. Knicks – Ball
    7. Bulls – Haliburton
    8. Hornets – Okongwu(edited)

 

NYG

@getrichordie you missed Edwards

 

NYG

Who is likely to be trying to trade up?

 

Deathlineup

As it is right now, can’t see any team looking to move up

 

NYG

I could see the Knicks and Hornets

 

Knicks need a point guard

 

Hornets need a centerpiece

 

getrichordie

Oh crap

 

getrichordie

  1. Warriors — Avdija
  2. Cavaliers — Edwards
  3. Timberwolves — Ball
  4. Hawks — Wiseman
  5. Pistons — Hayes
  6. Knicks — Anthony
  7. Bulls — Haliburton
  8. Hornets — Okongwu

 

Deathlineup

But yeah, maybe it’s the Knicks if they are gung-ho on Ball.

 

NYG

Any top 8 teams prefer a vet to a rookie?

 

NYG

Also, closest off-season I can think of is 2011 NBA Draft with uncertainty of lockout to follow

 

9 First Round Picks Total Traded
#7 Overall is earliest pick traded
Other Top 20 Picks Traded: 10, 15 and 19
Veterans Traded: Stephen Jackson/Tobias Harris via Charlotte, George Hill via San Antonio
Total trades involving first round picks: 6

 

2011 NBA Draft

 

Which veterans are similar to those guys value circa 2011 NBA Draft that are currently available?

 

I see the Spurs pulling off Kawhi 2.0 and using “George Hill” aka Derrick White to get a mid-first and nail the pick

 

NYG

Spurs get Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince and 22

Bulls get DeMar DeRozan and 11

Nets get Thaddeus Young and 7

 

With cap filler?

 

If the Spurs follow that up with the right Derrick White for pick trade, that’s suddenly a solid rebuilding core

 

Satoransky as filler to take White’s minutes

 

White for 16 and Vanderbilt

 

jredsaz

I’m convinced Suns will move Oubre and I believe Magic move Gordon. Wolves look like they will remain aggressive and move one of their firsts and James Johnson’s salary.

 

How does that deal impact the Nets cap situation? I feel like any move they make with Prince will be to decrease their salary total in an attempt to keep Joe Harris.

 

I also feel like the value Allen in Brooklyn.

 

NYG

I think 7 gets them an equally useful player to Allen that they can reset a rookie contract on and hand pick based on fit and Young/Prince is equal

 

jredsaz

That’s fair. Could get Okongawu there.

 

NYG

Maybe if the Magic go full rebuild around Bamba/Fultz/Isaac… could 15 and Gordon get them 3 from the T’Wolves?

 

jredsaz

We dont have a Magic thread started but I do wonder what their direction is. I think they continue to build. Maybe move AG but for another competent starter. RealGM T&T seems to think they will tear it down again.

 

Deathlineup

Warriors obviously would prefer a vet over a rookie. Other bottom 8 teams would prefer a rookie I guess

 

NYG

If the Warriors get 1st Overall, who is the worst player you move the pick for?

 

Deathlineup

Booker, Oladipo or Beal (not a pick swap)

 

jredsaz

What is your package for one of those guys? I just dont see the #1 pick alone getting Beal or Booker. It may be an overpay for Dipo unless you get an extension.

 

Deathlineup

Add another first round pick and maybe give a pick swap too.

 

jredsaz

The Wolves pick? TBH I just dont see Suns moving Booker at all unless they are blown away and I dont think the Warriors have that ability without trading steph or Klay ehich wont heppen. Beal is available but I think it takes Wiggins, a top 3ish 2020 pick, 2021 Wolves pick and probably something else.

 

NYG

Will second round pick(s) and cash get any pick in the 20’s?

 

Deathlineup

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/others/1085244/deni-avdija-becomes-youngest-mvp-in-israeli-league-history/

Eurohoops

Deni Avdija becomes youngest MVP in Israeli League history | Eurohoops

Deni Avdija concludes the season as the top player in Israel.

Jul 28th (90 kB)

https://images.eurohoops.net/2020/07/3e3e2cc5-eecceaswsae9ywy-4-600×314.jpg

 

Now I can see him being the 1st pick.

 

getrichordie

Hard to see him as a first pick. He’s not really a creator. He’s more of a tertiary playmaker IMO. Really good straight line speed but no real wiggle to his game. Shot is questionable but I think he can be above league average from 3 and be solid from corners. I think he has some upside as a movement shooter. Solid defender but nothing great.

 

Top 5 is reasonable ceiling.

 

Deathlineup

Give me the European league’s MVP over those unconvincing US top prospects. (edited)

 

jredsaz

I haven’t seen much of him. From the draft content I’ve read he has apparently taken a step with his shot. KOC is high on his play making. I think Ball is probably the highest ceiling guy in the draft so a possible or even probable #1 selection. Otherwise it looks pretty up in the air. Is it super crazy to think the team at the who ends up at the top of the draft believes Avdija is their best fit?

 

Deathlineup

Avdija is the best fit for Warriors, Cavs and Hawks.

 

jredsaz

@Deathlineup How do you feel about Okongwu’s fit with the Warriors? I made an argument that he could go first overall to the Warriors. @getrichordie  totally disagreedand I think I’m in the minority but interested in your take. Also, where do you all think he ultimately goes?

 

Deathlineup

If the Warriors get the first pick and decide to use it, please let it be Avdija. Or Edwards.

 

I want no young bigs for this roster. I’ve got enough watching how many rookie mistakes that Damian Jones and Jordan Bell made.

 

jredsaz

Okay. Then what big do you target?

 

Deathlineup

Active, energy bigs.

 

jredsaz

Like who? Okongwu fits that bill to a t

 

Deathlineup

Tristan Thompson, Aron Baynes, Dwight Howard, JaVale McGee

 

As I said before. Warriors please don’t draft a big.

 

Rookie big man makes too many silly mistakes.

 

getrichordie

You haven’t watched a lot of Avdija, but you disagree @jredsaz ?

 

I do think Avdija is best fit for Warriors because it offers lineup versatility and they can just nab a bit off the waivers

 

Big*

 

NYG

I think the new lottery odds make it very unlikely Golden State gets 1st Overall

 

Last year the 8th worst, 9th worst, 3rd worst and 11th worst got top 4 picks

 

That was the first year under the new model

 

I think there is a clear Tier 1 (which in any other draft would be Tier 2) of Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Bell and James Wiseman according to nearly every draft site in touch with real life scouts and management with not enough happening on the court between now and draft night to affect that

 

Can I also say something? People saying this is a weak draft are wayyy wrong…  there is crazy value deep into the second round.  The top of the draft is as weak as the Nerlens Noel/Anthony Bennett year, but this drafts Tiers 4 and 5 are really deep.  You could easily get a Tier 4 guy mid-round 2… there’s like 11-14 guys in the top 3 tiers and then mixed reviews on guys in like the 14-40 range

 

jredsaz

@getrichordie Not necessarily. My issue would be Avidijas lack of proven shooting. He also didn’t put up numbers this year in the Euro League until the tournament.I also disagree with not looking at an athletic big. Think Okongwu steps in and can produce. He is a different/better prospect than Bell or Jones. He will make mistakes like all rookies will including Edwards and Avdija. His role is just more simplified as a rim running big.

 

@NYG are we sure James Wiseman is still a top prospect? I’ve been hearing a lot of negativity thrown his way over the last couple months.I do agree that the odds aren’t in the Warriora favor, because they aren’t. They have a 14% chance to get the top pick.The draft is deep. I wonder how the lack of availability for in person scouting may impact draft boards.

 

 

getrichordie

To your point about Okongwu having a simplified role as a rim-running big, Wiseman would be utilized the same way and projects to be a better shooter than Okongwu for a lot of people

 

I think w/ Avdija, he benefits from being a pro already and he won’t be asked to create as much or shoot off the dribble as much as he was in ISBL. His defensive versatility is key here. Warriors need a guy who can guard 3s and 4s and play with their big 3. He can also play with Wiggins. He just needs to knock down open 3s and I think he has shown he can do that.

 

That’s why I say he is best fit.

 

If Warriors can grab him and get a solid rim-running big in FA/waivers, that’s the smart play, IMO.

 

jredsaz

There isn’t a lot of tape out there on Wiseman against top competition but hasn’t Okongwu significantly more proven in that role? Wiseman has been accused of wanting to play on the perimeter, play like a guard.Avdija would be an anomaly if he can effectively guard 3s and 4s as a 20 year old rookie in the NBA. He showed an improved shot but it was a small sample size. Again, if I’m the Warriors I’m looking for the guy who can have the most impact for my team over the next three years. I think that Okongwu but I am a)clearly in the minority and b) not nearly as well versed in some of these prospects as you

 

getrichordie

I mean… I wouldn’t put a lot of stock into him wanting to play like a guard… he did that in HS, but. was way toned down at college level. He’s somewhat raw, but his tools are just significantly way better than Okongwu’s… unless he has some major discipline issues, I think Kerr and his staff can coach him up to what they need him to be

 

FWIW, he has nice touch from mid-range and has flashed ability to hit from 3, though that’s in HS… I mean… at least he has something in the bag on O other than just rim-running which is a good thing. I don’t see it as a hindrance in any way.

 

Plus, we are talking about a guy who has a 7-6 wingspan and a standing reach that is comparable to Mo Bamba’s and Rudy Gobert’s… versus Okongwu’s 7-1 wingspan

 

And look, it was only 1 game against a bad team, but he put up historic numbers as a raw freshman

 

Okongwu played bad teams too and didn’t come close to what he accomplished

 

That’s not to say OO can’t be better than Wiseman, but I just don’t think a lot of things have to go right for Wiseman to be better than OO. Whereas for OO, a lot of things have to go right for him to achieve his ceiling.

 

Is Okongwu more ready? Yes. Is his upside near Wiseman’s? Not a chance.

 

jredsaz

That makes a lot of sense. I’ll be interested to see what happens with Wiseman. Everyone loved him and now I can’t stop hearing about his busy potential and I don’t know why.

 

NYG

Who is best on D between Wiseman and Okongwu? (edited)

 

Could either be a good fit next to Towns in Minnesota as a two-big line-up?

 

getrichordie

In my opinion, it’s a wash, really. Depends on who wants it more. I’d lean Wiseman due to size, similar mobility, and more length, better S/R.

 

NYG

Are they considered good defenders?

 

getrichordie

Okongwu definitely is.

 

Wiseman doesn’t have the same rep because he only played 3 games, but he has all the tools

 

NYG

Could Okongwu play next to Towns?

 

getrichordie

His defensive upside is higher IMO

 

I don’t think so

 

Some will disagree but I don’t see how OO fits next to Towns

 

That means 1 of them will have to guard 4s and I think that’s an issue

 

You can play them in certain situations

 

NYG

Gotcha

 

getrichordie

I’d draft OO to bring him off the bench as a 6th man and play him with KAT some

 

NYG

Do you agree that most web sites and analysts with contacts on the inside have a pretty consistent Top 3 of Ball, Edwards and Wiseman?

 

getrichordie

What websites and analysts are you referring to?

 

I’d say Ball, Edwards, Wiseman should be top 3 picks based on upside.

 

I think you could make a case that Hayes slides in there over Edwards if there’s a combine

 

NYG

Usually the common theme between NBADraft.net, TheRinger, The Athletic and ESPN is those 3 early

 

Yeah Hayes, Avdija and Haliburton can def crash the party

 

Haliburton checks a lot of boxes

 

getrichordie

I don’t take The Ringer seriously

 

Having Terry top 10 is a joke

 

NYG

Yeah haha

 

I usually go off the old Draft Express guy now with ESPN

 

getrichordie

I don’t see anyway Haliburton can crash the party

 

NYG

I like Haliburton’s floor

 

getrichordie

I think his floor is lower than you think

 

Defensively, he’s just okay, IMO. Very long, but wiry frame. Needs to add a lot of strength

 

NYG

How do you rank the top 5 point guards

 

getrichordie

On O, he’s constantly changing his shot which is worrisome and the explosion isn’t what you want to see from a guard

 

Struggles at the rim

 

FWIW, I don’t see Haliburton as a point guard

 

I see him as a secondary playmaker

 

Who can probably run some point, but you wouldn’t want him running it full time

 

NYG

Sounds like he would be best served as a bench combo guard

 

getrichordie

That’s his floor, IMO.

 

Not a guy I’d draft top 5

 

Top 5 PGs =1a. Ball
1b. Hayes

  1. Anthony
  2. Maledon
  3. Riller

 

What the fuck

 

Not how I had the numbers lol

 

NYG

Haha

 

getrichordie

  1. Ball
  2. Hayes
  3. Anthony
  4. Maledon
  5. Riller

 

NYG

Interesting… no Hunter?

 

getrichordie

I’d put Maxey over Riller if you see him as a point

 

I think he’s more of a shooting guard

 

Hunter would be #6 for me probably

 

I mean Hampton*

 

Who is Hunter?

 

NYG

I meant Hampton

 

jredsaz

Man from what I’ve seen Riller is just a baller. Love that dude.

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NYG

My lottery (I simulated the remaining schedule and the lotto simulator) (see trades in trade ideas thread) (edited)

 

  1. Pistons – LaMelo Ball
  2. Cavaliers – Anthony Edwards
  3. Kings – James Wiseman
  4. Hornets – Isaac Okoro
  5. Suns – Killian Hayes
  6. Timberwolves – Deni Avdija
  7. Hawks – Tyrese Haliburton
  8. Knicks – Cole Anthony
  9. Bulls – Onyeka Okongwu
  10. Wizards – Devin Vassell
  11. Pistons – Aaron Nesmith
  12. Spurs – Obi Toppin
  13. Pelicans – Saddiq Bey
  14. Celtics – Precious Achiuwa

(edited)

 

NYG

@getrichordie how do you see that mock value wise?

 

getrichordie

From what I’m hearing the Cavs don’t want another guard…

 

I have Wiseman as higher than Edwards so I think that’s bad value for Cavs

 

I think Hornets drafting Okoro that high is bad value too

 

I think Cole, Hayes, and Okongwu have more upside and are the better prospects

 

I’d take Okongwu > Deni if I were the Wolves

 

Vassell also makes a lot of sense

 

Hawks selecting Haliburton > Vassell is a head scratcher too

 

Bulls steal a lot of value with Okongwu IMO

 

Kings still a lot of value getting Wiseman

 

Suns do well getting Hayes

 

Wiz, Pelicans, Celtics all make fine choices here

 

Pistons pairing Nesmith w/ Ball makes a lot of sense

 

Deathlineup

Don’t think Pistons are going to draft Ball. They just got a new GM from Thunder.

 

Ball definitely don’t fit the way Thunder draft. And don’t think he fits in Detroit too.

 

getrichordie

I don’t think you can definitively say that Weaver is going to draft like Presti.

 

Presti doesn’t draft like Spurs

 

And Ball kind of does fit that mold. High-end athlete for a PG who struggles to space the floor…

 

But has the tools to be a solid defender

 

Deathlineup

I think no teams want a piece of Lavar.

 

Except Knicks and Suns.

 

getrichordie

LaVar has been out of the spotlight for so long… and that was always an overstated concern

 

Deathlineup

He’s quiet since Lonzo’s hype has expired.

 

Give him another son who might become the first overall pick and I believe he won’t shut up during the draft process. (edited)

 

Deathlineup

6th pick + 2020 Clippers 1st rd pick + 2021 Mavs 1st rd pick for 1st pick (edited)

 

Is it a fair trade?

 

 

jredsaz

What are the Knicks trying to get?

 

NYG

I could see the Knicks going for a splash in a year where moving up from 6 to 1 is possible

 

Deathlineup

Obviously LaMelo.

 

LaMelo won’t slip to 6th.

 

jredsaz

I don’t know. Maybe with the Warriors. Otherwise, its really hard to trade the #1 overall pick even with no clear cut guy to select.

 

Deathlineup

Let’s say the team win the lottery and they decide to keep the pick. Who they draft? Please share your answer for each bottom 8 teams.

 

  • Warriors:
  • Cavs:
  • Wolves:
  • Hawks:
  • Pistons:
  • Knicks:
  • Bulls:
  • Hornets:

 

NYG

That’s a good one, let me think and I’ll get back to this

 

NYG

Warriors – Wiseman
Cavs – Edwards
Wolves – Edwards
Hawks – Edwards
Pistons – Ball
Knicks – Ball
Bulls – Ball
Hornets – Edwards

 

getrichordie

Warriors – Wiseman
Cavs – Wiseman
Wolves – Ball
Hawks – Wiseman
Pistons – Ball
Knicks – Ball
Bulls – Ball
Hornets – Ball

 

jredsaz

  • Warriors: Wiseman
  • Cavs: Ball
  • Wolves: Edwards
  • Hawks: Edwards
  • Pistons: Ball
  • Knicks: Ball
  • Bulls: Ball
  • Hornets: Wiseman

 

Deathlineup

  • Warriors: Avdija
  • Cavs: Edwards
  • Wolves: Avdija
  • Hawks: Avdija
  • Pistons: Wiseman
  • Knicks: Ball
  • Bulls: Wiseman
  • Hornets: Wiseman

 

NYG

Warriors:
James Wiseman – 3
Deni Avdija – 1

Cavaliers:
Anthony Edwards – 2
James Wiseman – 1
LaMelo Ball – 1

Timberwolves:
Anthony Edwards – 2
LaMelo Ball – 1
Deni Avdija – 1

Atlanta Hawks:
Anthony Edwards – 2
James Wiseman – 1
Deni Avdija – 1

Detroit Pistons:
LaMelo Ball – 3
James Wiseman – 1

New York Knicks:
LaMelo Ball – 4

Chicago Bulls:
LaMelo Ball – 3
James Wiseman – 1

 

Charlotte Hornets:
Anthony Edwards – 1
LaMelo Ball – 1
James Wiseman – 2 (edited)

 

Also, I used NBADraft.net, ESPN Draft Rankings and Sam Vecenie from The Athletic’s Draft Rankings

 

I averaged out their ranking on those three sites

 

Here’s the top 25

 

1 – 1.3 Anthony Edwards
2 – 1.6 LaMelo Ball
3 – 4 Obi Toppin
4 – 4.6 James Wiseman
5 – 5.3 Deni Avdija
6/7 – 6.3 Tyrese Haliburton
6/7 – 6.3 Onyeka Okongwu
8 – 7 Killian Hayes
9 – 8.6 Isaac Okoro
10/11 – 12 Devin Vassell
10/11 – 12 Aaron Nesmith
12 – 13 Patrick Williams
13 – 13.6 Precious Achiuwa
14 – 14.3 Cole Anthony
15 – 16 Tyrese Maxey
16 – 17.3 Theo Maledon
17 – 18 Saddiq Bey
18 – 18.3 R.J. Hampton
19 – 20 Kira Lewis Jr.
20 – 25 Josh Green
21 – 25.3 Jalen Smith
22 – 26.6 Isaiah Stewart
23 – 27 Aleksej Pokusevski
24 – 28 Daniel Oturu
25 – 28.3 Tyrell Terry (edited)

 

The second number is the average ranking

 

Also, I compare this draft and it’s trade activity to the 2011 Draft.  2011 had the lockout right after the draft (so similar in that there’s financial uncertainty), a weak draft (besides Kyrie Irving), free agent class and a pretty weak trade market similar to right now (edited)

 

9 First Round Picks Total Traded
#7 Overall is earliest pick traded
Other Top 20 Picks Traded: 10, 15 and 19
Veterans Traded: Stephen Jackson via Charlotte, George Hill via San Antonio
Total trades involving first round picks: 6 (edited)

 

Deathlineup

Toppin at 3? That’s bull.

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